Comments on: Google Reader gets it right http://ianmurdock.com/google/google-reader-gets-it-right/ Linux old timer. Debian founder. Sun alum. Salesforce ExactTarget exec. Sat, 05 Sep 2015 19:38:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.2 By: Stuart Ballard http://ianmurdock.com/google/google-reader-gets-it-right/comment-page-1/#comment-876 Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:11:33 +0000 http://ianmurdock.com/?p=362#comment-876 Oh and in response to Bob: aggregators running on your local machine are entirely useless if you:
– Like to read your feeds from more than one location or on more than one computer, eg work and home
– Ever want to be able to turn your computer off (unless you just don’t care about missing posts)
– Ever lose network connectivity (yes, I’m sure Google sometimes loses connectivity, but a LOT less frequently than I do and for much shorter periods)
– Ever find yourself using someone else’s computer or a public terminal and still want to keep up on your feeds

If any of those things are important to you, then it’s no longer a question of *if* you want to give up your privacy, but *who* you care to give it up to. If you use an ISP, the information of what sites you’re visiting is already known to at least one corporate entity (or do you browse through an anonymizing proxy network too?) And how exactly do you send or receive email without it being transmitted in plaintext through goodness knows how many corporate entities’ networks?

I trust Google as much as any corporate entity and much more than most.

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By: Stuart Ballard http://ianmurdock.com/google/google-reader-gets-it-right/comment-page-1/#comment-875 Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:03:08 +0000 http://ianmurdock.com/?p=362#comment-875 I agree that the new Reader is fantastic – it took about five minutes for me to decide to switch from Bloglines after trying it, which is about as long as it took to decide *not* to switch when I tried the *old* Reader. Every complaint I ever had about Bloglines is gone in Reader.

Couple of comments though:

“Sort by auto” is explained in their FAQ, it puts feeds with fewer items to the top so that feeds with infrequent postings don’t get lost in the noise. I’d have to try this in practice to see whether I like it.

But neither of the available options is what I actually want: when using software which already tracks what I’ve seen before, why on earth would I want to read stuff in *backwards* order? The “most recent first” organization of blogs is solely in response to the fact that when visiting a blog you don’t know where the reader has read up to yet. It’s a completely inexplicable omission considering how trivial it is to reverse a sort order.

Other concerns I have with Reader also largely come down to the fact that it exposes less options than Bloglines did. Even though I accepted the defaults for several of these, the existence of the option was a valuable indicator that the actual behavior was what I wanted. For example Bloglines let me tell it whether to treat updated items as new or not, so I knew that it *was* treating them as new. With Reader, I have no idea if it does or not.

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By: Ian Murdock http://ianmurdock.com/google/google-reader-gets-it-right/comment-page-1/#comment-839 Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:26:14 +0000 http://ianmurdock.com/?p=362#comment-839 You talk as if I’m carelessly throwing my privacy out the window. If you use Google (or any other search engine), you’re already being tracked unless you go to extreme measures. See, e.g., the recent AOL debacle. Personally, I don’t find the idea of having my clicks tracked pernicicious enough to bend myself into a pretzel to get away from it. If anything, I find the technological implications intriguing. What I do online implicity says what’s relevant to me, all without me having to do anything. If Google can use that data to build results that are more relevant to me, that’s all right by me. I worry more about being locked in—what if someone else comes up with a better tool, and I want to change providers? Do I have to start all over in recording my clicks etc.? (For more, see http://www.attentiontrust.org/.) -ian

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By: Bob http://ianmurdock.com/google/google-reader-gets-it-right/comment-page-1/#comment-838 Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:23:52 +0000 http://ianmurdock.com/?p=362#comment-838 >I’m willing to let Google know what sites I’m visiting in exchange for the greater productivity their tools give me.

Ian, the unqualified “greater” means that Google’s RSS is greater than any other RSS reader. Now, if you try Vienna, for example, you’ll see that in addition to keeping Google’s eyes away from your privacy, and allowing you to save and read the articles offline on a well organized library, it also has custom css styles to purge the articles from advertisements and to format them with your choice of font and page outline. I’ve designed my custom css, and it is a pleasure for the eyes, clean and unclattered. So, I’ve specific reasons to say that Vienna is better than Google’s RSS, and, as far as I could see, to any other RSS reader to date.

>I’m willing to let Google know what sites I’m visiting

I am not.

>If you’re not, that’s fine too.

I value privacy a lot. It is a human right. Do not give up your basic rights, our fathers have died to give them to us.

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By: Ian Murdock http://ianmurdock.com/google/google-reader-gets-it-right/comment-page-1/#comment-832 Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:53:31 +0000 http://ianmurdock.com/?p=362#comment-832 P.S. – Agree completely on the offline thing. I consider that a big hole in the Google platform, as you’ve probably gathered if you’re read my earlier postings. -ian

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By: Ian Murdock http://ianmurdock.com/google/google-reader-gets-it-right/comment-page-1/#comment-831 Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:52:22 +0000 http://ianmurdock.com/?p=362#comment-831 I could improve my privacy by unplugging my computer from the network, but that would greatly limit its usefulness. As with everything security and privacy related, this is a tradeoff. I’m willing to let Google know what sites I’m visiting in exchange for the greater productivity their tools give me. If you’re not, that’s fine too. Everyone’s going to come down slightly differently on whether the tradeoff is worthwhile. -ian

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By: Bob http://ianmurdock.com/google/google-reader-gets-it-right/comment-page-1/#comment-830 Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:29:35 +0000 http://ianmurdock.com/?p=362#comment-830 Oh, wait, Vienna only works on OSX, and Debian is still decades behind OSX…

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By: Bob http://ianmurdock.com/google/google-reader-gets-it-right/comment-page-1/#comment-829 Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:26:38 +0000 http://ianmurdock.com/?p=362#comment-829 Did Google pay you for it? I would never give up my privacy to a third party. Use Vienna RSS instead, and you can also read the news while offline.

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